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vbhagavathula



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: KVM Music(ings) Reply with quote

I am glad and excited that there is a special page (Hall of Fame?) for KVM finally on this site although it’s late. Knowing Srini I was bit surprised that it was not first KVM who appeared on the site but it was someone else. I thought that since there were far too many songs and he could not accommodate in one page. Anyways its here!
Let us discuss about this genius and some of his songs
As Srini correctly pointed out KVM was the only one who delivered *good* music for 3 decades.
I am always amazed by the range in terms of tunes from classical to regular songs. I always wondered what the signature for KVM’s songs is – beat? Orchestra? Re-recording? My answer to it is –MELODY. What do you all think?
Always a low profile who would tune only after seeing the lyrics (barring exceptions where he reused IR tunes from Tamil) this would not restrict the lyricist’s creative freedom. I read/heard somewhere KVM can tune even the Andhra Patrika editorial (is it Bapu/Ramana or Veturi?)
A simple, humble, modest music duo who are down to earth have cine diggajas as their fan-base like K.Viswanath, Bapu/Ramana, VB Rajendra Prasad, Bhargav S.Gopal Reddy, not to forget K.Murari (who stopped producing films after KVM stopped due to ill-health) etc.

I wanted to write down some haunting melodies (“pulakarimpa chese paatalu”) and I was stuck where to start and where to end as the list is endless

Please share your feelings and probably there might be other better way to discuss and pay tributes to these geniuses

Till then!
MAMA Paata vinagane manasu pulakrinchena
BAALU Gontu vinagane tanuvu parvasinchena!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAMA is undisputedly the Best Music Director of his time. The fact that a Malayali had dominated Telugu film industry overtaking masters like Saluri Rajeswara Rao, Pendyala and Ghantasala itself proves how talented KVM is!

Srini is a big Fan of KVM. But what we feel is that he has got due recognition and is the only music director remembered now, even by casual music lovers. Talking about KVM is like talking about NTR and Chiranjeevi.

Not bringing out his list of songs till now is in no way to disrespect him. It is just that we are trying to excavte the 'Matti lo Manikyalu' of other music directors who have been forgotten!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly... Surya. Mere mooh kee baath aapne cheen liya.

After I started this site, I started realizing how melodious Sathysm's songs are! In particular, some songs like "Emani pilavAli", "kalaalOni UrvaSi", "evarO neevu.. antA mAyarA", "ee geetam.. sangeetam" etc haunted me for days. The last time I listened to these songs was more than 20 years. Ofcouse a few of mAmA's songs like "O chandramA", "okE kulam" etc also were on my mind ocnstantly for first few days.

All of us know most of mAma's songs.. but how many of us still remember all these Sathyam's melodies until Surya and myself listed them out on our site?

I mentioned somewhere in this discussion board that the following is my order of rating in terms of melodies:

KV Mahadevan > Sathyam > Rajan-Nagendra --> Ramesh Naidu --> Chakravarthi

But many melody lover think that KVM > Ramesh Naidu > Then Others

My opinion probably is different from theirs.

Thanks,
Srini
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Legend's (KVM's) humbleness - Example to Every Human Being Reply with quote

After reading Venu's write-up, I could re-collect one incident which Balu mentioned a while ago. I wanted to share what I heard.

Those were days, when Sankara Bharanam was about the catch the 'Good Telugu movie' lovers attention and become the rage. Probably about 50-60 days into the release. Balu was traveling in a car along with Mama'garu and Puzhalendi garu. Balu was seated in the front-seat along with Driver. SPB asked driver to put on some songs in car-stereo. Driver wanted to impress KVM garu by playing SankaraBharanam songs so that he would enjoy listening to them during the travel. After listening to couple of songs, it seems Mama'garu asked SPB thus.....

Evaru nayana inta manchi songs raasindi/compose chesindi ani.

Balu was surprised and asked

Mamaa maree ila antunnaventi..ivanni nuvvu Puzhalendi kalisi chesina paatalu mamaa....neeku gurthuleda..leka nannu test chestunnaavaa..inta goppaga paatalu kattaru mama...telugu vaallu ee paatalu aadarinchi ninnu mechukuntuntay..nuvvemo..ila...

Mama replied in what seems to be the humblest statement which Balu heard in his life time...

Nayana..memu kaadu..Vaadu (showing god)..pyvaadu nayanaa mana cheta cheyinchaydi... vaadu goppavadu...mana peru chayppukokudadu...bavunnayi patalu... chala bagunnayi..

Balu said...this shows (and he learnt) no matter what heights one reaches, how humble one should be.

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Suresh
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:50 am    Post subject: KVM Baaneela Bahaddur? Reply with quote

As far as remember , KVM ki ok birudu vundi. adi 'Baaneela bahaddur' ani.Correct me if I'm wrong. athani tunes vinte, adi nijame kada anipisthundi.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Creativity and variety in compositions Reply with quote

Satyam had monotony in his compositions although his films are only few hundreds.
I do not know ABCD's of music(arohanam,avarohanam,gamakam,taalam,sruti,raagam,alaap).But his tunes are mostly like Sannajaajiki gunnamaviki song.many of them resemble his previous tunes lacking variety or creativity.That could be the reason he was not successful.He also imitated(copied)numerous hindi tunes.One such example is evaremannanu todu rakunnanu(original tune kalyanji anandji).For that matter great musicians like Ghantasala also did imitation of popular Hindi tunes.
Some people observed various other matters(supress or tokkuta) for music directors success in this blog.I disagree.K.V.Mahadevan remained successful with his creativity and variety.Why Susarla Dakshina Murthy could not produce popular music.He did several films for NTR own production.Except Nartanasala and Santaanam(Lata sings) like few movies he was a failure.
Great Knowledge about music(72 melakartha raags in carnatic and 10 thaats of Hindustani was never a reason for popular music.It could be melody or rytham).You also need Rytham for a particular mood.Shankar jaikishan are the example for a real music director.LP followed their footsteps.Un fortunately Telugu music industry did not have a music director with stellar performance .Some music directors have an opinion about our SPB.He is good for pathos and sorrow singing.They feel his voice expresses sorroweven in romantic mood tunes.Is it true?.
Keeravani has shown some originality.But he also has limitations and fell into Monotony.We are yet to see a music director who can show variety after 1000 films(6000 songs)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Creativity and variety in compositions Reply with quote

srinivas330 wrote:
Satyam had monotony in his compositions although his films are only few hundreds.
I do not know ABCD's of music(arohanam,avarohanam,gamakam,taalam,sruti,raagam,alaap).But his tunes are mostly like Sannajaajiki gunnamaviki song.many of them resemble his previous tunes lacking variety or creativity.That could be the reason he was not successful.He also imitated(copied)numerous hindi tunes.One such example is evaremannanu todu rakunnanu(original tune kalyanji anandji).For that matter great musicians like Ghantasala also did imitation of popular Hindi tunes.
Some people observed various other matters(supress or tokkuta) for music directors success in this blog.I disagree.K.V.Mahadevan remained successful with his creativity and variety.Why Susarla Dakshina Murthy could not produce popular music.He did several films for NTR own production.Except Nartanasala and Santaanam(Lata sings) like few movies he was a failure.
Great Knowledge about music(72 melakartha raags in carnatic and 10 thaats of Hindustani was never a reason for popular music.It could be melody or rytham).You also need Rytham for a particular mood.Shankar jaikishan are the example for a real music director.LP followed their footsteps.Un fortunately Telugu music industry did not have a music director with stellar performance .Some music directors have an opinion about our SPB.He is good for pathos and sorrow singing.They feel his voice expresses sorroweven in romantic mood tunes.Is it true?.
Keeravani has shown some originality.But he also has limitations and fell into Monotony.We are yet to see a music director who can show variety after 1000 films(6000 songs)


KVM is exemplery in that he was able to sustain creativity and originality for several hundreds of films. Even the maestro Ilaiyaraja became monotonous in his recent films. I have listened to some of IR's recent films and they are all rehashes of his previous films. That doesn't decrease the greatness of Ilaiyaraja by any means. It just means that his creativity has reached some limit. To give an anology from Tennis, John McEnroe reached great heights and became untouchable for a few years but then faded quickly. On the other hand, Jimmy Connors was able to stay near the top for several years.

Satyam had his share of copycat tunes but at the same time, he did show creativity and variety and it is unfair to say he was totally monotonous. Also, people like Satyam and Ghantasala were forced by producers to copy tunes against their wishes. By the way, the Telugu film industry had some notable and creative MDs who composed for 100+ films -- S. Rajeswara Rao, Pendyala Nageswara Rao. Keep in mind that until 1975 or so only 40-50 films used to be produced every year and it is hard for an MD to compose for more than 200 or so films with so much competition.

This is the first time I am hearing that Balu's voice sounded sorrowful even for romantic tunes Shocked If at all, he is probably the most versatile singer who was able to adapt to various actors and moods.

One thing to remember is that there are hidden pressures on MDs to follow certain trends and cater to the whims and fancies of producers. After all, the producers (and directors) are the bosses writing the paychecks for these MDs and they have to do things against their wishes. Even Ilaiyaraja admitted that he was forced to compose substandard tunes and copycats (orabba vesukunna killi from Yugandhar for example) because of pressures.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Creativity and variety in compositions Reply with quote

Late Bhanumathi Ramakrishna had a different opinion about Sankarabharanam compositions.She rated them as lighter version of Classic raagas.One could have tried her as a music director.
keeping aside purity matters and rules of raagas, KVM also has a draw back in orchestration.It could be late Puhalendi's notes.But sounds similar for most of the tunes.
Adi Narayana Rao was a marvel of his time for rich orchestration in his compositions.He is second to none in Indian film industry.
He had few films to his credit but retained quality and versatality in compositions for all most all songs.
Does any one know how many of our music directors have expertise in classical music( Both Carnatic and Hindustani as well as western classical )?.
Where did they learn and how long?.
Which music directors of current generation have that back ground of their seniors?.
I appreciate feed back.
Producer is spending money and he has all rights to take care of his investment.If music director is capable of convincing the team of film(Director,Producer,Lyricist,Choreographer) with some out of box creations,no body will force them to copy tunes.
"Niluvave valu kanula dana" song by T.Chalapathi Rao was popular song.When film was remade in Hindi, Sankar-Jaikishen cameup with superb tune "tere pyare pyare suraj ko".They did not copy.They were able to beat expectations of public.S.Rajeshwara rao walked out of many movies for the same reason.His son Koti explained to media about his father and his attitude towards art.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Srinivas gAru..

You seem to be knowledgeable with the Hindi/Telugu music.

When we started this site, we just had only one link on a music director name and it was none other than Sathyam. Later we started including the other popular melodious MD's on the main page.

Kindly do me a favor.. Pl. listen to the songs on Sathyam link on the main page and then tell us your opinion about his caliber as a Music Director.. I will be awaiting your reply here.

Cheers,
Srini
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:31 am    Post subject: music directors Reply with quote

well said srini,

dear friend,

It is completely a biased view of south indian music.

I strongly differ your view about Shankar jaikishen/or LP. Even in hindi field SJ were as good as KVM. No and never could they match the creations of Naushad or C ramachandra or Anil biswas.

Can you tell that OP NAYAAR Was not successful. He has used only one raga(pilu) almost for 70% of his songs

You rated LP as second most successful, which is not at all true. Can you believe that they expended 30000 in those days to buy filmfare and tick themselves as BEST MUSIC DIRECTORS(told by pyarelal himself). SDB, Madanmohan, even chitragupt never tried such things

Infact when naushad came to south he openly acknowledged the genius of MSV and KVM saying that he would have been out of the race had these two worked in mumbai

S Rajeswara rao and Adinarayana rao were highly adored in Mumbai and same was the case with M S Baburaj and Devarajan of Malayalam field

Great knowledge of music- not a reason for success- how come you could give such statement. Jaikishen gave excellent numbers in bharavi and all those pure classical numbers were super hits not those beat based or rythm based.

Listen to Naushads music of Shahjehan- yes even after 52 years can you even hum those songs with the same level without any knowledge of music.

Only exception to this non knowledge of classical music and yet achieving success - OP NAYYAR and our own CHAKRAVARTHY

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi

continuing with my previous reply

Music director had never the choice of convincing the MD. Had it been the case then Ghantasala would have never used copy tunes.

In case of hindi field the MDs were more powerful, they could convince the producers about the combination of singers or lyricists and producers about the tunes.

There is this famous story about naushad. Once Mehboob(a famous film maker) was giving a lot of suggestions while naushad was composing, naushad was so irritated that he didnt tell anything then, but when the shooting was going on he started interfering and telling that light is not correct, camera movt is not right. Mehboob got furious and told him Nirdeshan ke baare mein kya jaante hai aap, then naushad told him that jab aap bina sur ke gyan mere sangeet ke baare mein keh sakte hai to usse bhi aasan kaam hai ye nirdeshan....

whereas our producers are not that easy to convince. Even MD like madanmohan gave copied tunes for AVM and gemini films when they were remade in hindi unwillingly.

They were ready to change the MDs itself if they dont listen to them, there are lot of such instances, even for a MD like SR also it happened

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Re: Creativity and variety in compositions Reply with quote

srinivas330 wrote:
.We are yet to see a music director who can show variety after 1000 films(6000 songs)



what do you mean by this.

What is the kind of variety of music you are expecting after having a privelage to listen the following:

Malleswari- devadas-mayabazar-jayabheri-jagadekaveerunikatha-rahasyam-kannemanasulu-devadas(krishna)-sivaranjani-Devudu chesina manushulu-toorpu padamara-turpu velle railu-muddamandaram-mayuri.

padyala gurinchi nenu mari vidamarachi cheppakkarledanukonta. Vere E bhaashalO leni variety kada

Bhakti paatalu esp cinimalalo naaradadu paade paatalu- prathi paata oka variety- Can you imagine anyother MDs in any language churning out so many devotionals- devotionals which are really devotional.

I will just end with the soundararajan song in sri sri maryada ramanna which will justify about the telugu film music

"సెబితే శానా ఉంది వింటే ఇంతో ఉంది"

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Creativity and variety in compositions Reply with quote

Indian film music has grown leaps and bounds from talkie era (ALAM ARA,Kalidas) of 40's.

Living style,culture,habits of people have taken different strides from time to time.

As per historical evidence saints Purandara Dasa,Thyagaraja,Muthuswami Dikshitar,Annamacharya for carnatic music and Tansen,Khusro
Bhaktande are known for hindustani style as recent in establishing set of rules , music style and systems

Language accent has changed a lot(Telugu,Hindi,English) over last 70 years

K.L.Saigal,Noorjahan had their impact on audience with their style of singing.

One can easily note the difference in tunes even for Naushad.Although he always had classical music as his base,the song structure
was different from Noorjahan to Lata or pre and post independance periods.

Mukesh started his career with Saigal style and slowly formed his own image with RK banner

Rafi,Lata era was different in their early days.Here Naushad song structure has changed again(with same classical base)

In this century we might see another Thyagaraja and Bhaktande with a different set of rules in music.

As Film music is about adopting to situation in story resembling a real life incident of a human being people tried
all types of music including folk,light,persian,chinese,spanish,russian,japanese.
For example if the film scene describes about harvest,one can choose folk music.
S.Rajeshwara rao widely used persian and other music styles in Malliswari.
Ghantasala has several light music tunes to his credit.When he has sound foundation of classical music where was the need for
light music unlike Naushad?.
Thriving for variety popularity of numbers (Paamara Jana Ranjaka sangeetham) could be the driving factor.
O.P.Nayyar as per as i know had formal education in Hindustani music from his home city in Pakistan(current)
He and chakravarthi in different periods of film industry might have used folk and light music.
But we would not have seen plight of Chiranjeevi(Dance) without Chakravarthi likes mass music(folk or light)
A.P has more number of illiterates when compared to many states.Our films are far from nativity unlike Malayalam.
Our directors wanted to capitalise on fantasy world that fetches happiness to majority of population when they are in theatre.

This is where SJ and LP have shown balance (not too much mass as Hindi audience does not consist of majority of illiterates)

Now that A.P. has transformed with more educated people to its credit,one can maintain some minimum standards in film music similar to
other languages.

The philosophy of film music is popularity.If 8 people out of 10 like the tune we can not sit and analyse
compliance to Raag and taal.
If we have people like Naushad who never changed his base from classical music and still can be successful
after 1000 films(Naushad never did that many and had a big slump in his career and idle for several years before his last film Tajmahal in 2005)

Minority (hard core classical music fans) population would be happy making majority share their passion.

Srini garu

Satyam's success was directly proportional to his contribution.
He hasn't adopted himself to change and competetion when changed times demanded and paid the price.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr srinivas,

I am unable to be convinced with your contrasting statements.

There is one wide difference between the concept of music in hindi and telugu. The basic reason why Purandaradasa had to invent a new system or rather deviation in traditional music. He found that music was really creative and being used more and more for entertainment rather than bhakti. So after closely watching the success of annamacharya he developed the style what we call now as carnatic where the stress is given more for bhakti and bhava along with sangeeta.

Thats the reason why carnatic music have many songs with lyrics, whereas the cheezs and thumris and dadras and khayals or thaats of hindustani doesnt have that much lyrical importance. Then the music in the early 30s were completely based on the core classical essence of hindustani music where the tunes were also in the same line. The earlier music directors like saraswati devi, pannalal ghosh, govindrao tembe were popular classsical musicians. It was naushad who first changed the dimension with his trademark music where he redefined the hindi music. He brought ghazals into films which hitherto were only confied to wine and women in urdu literature and tuned them to perfection.

Parellel to him was CR who used pure classical to rock and roll and every available form of music in films blending with storyline. That is the reason why these two were considered as superiormost. Even SJ for all their balance lost their charm in the latter part of their career. Where were SJ in the period of creative genius RDB. After jaikishen died shankar gave music to almost 13-14 films can you recollect even one song in those films.

The same is the case with LP. They along with bappilahiri spoiled the hindi music in the late 70s and early 80s.

As far my knowledge of music in hindi field goes the only MD who gave good and only good music till the end were the KALYANJI ANANDJI. all others had slump or such kind of things. Even for a creative genius who redefined film music RD had to undergo a slump.

Coming to your point why ghantasala used light tunes is that in south india especially we have another form parallel to classical music is lalita sangeetam. lalita sangeetam was more popular in andhra thanks to people like balantrapu, palagummi, devulapalli and Bhaavageethe in karnataka. Unlike tamilnadu where people with classical base is more andhra had this lalita sangeetam concept and naatakaalu and padyalu. Hence telugu songs had to give a note of the naataka sangeetam and thats the reason why ghantasala gave more importance to lalita sangeetam. He infact wanted to open a teaching school of lalita sangeetam

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good discussion Srinivas330 and Nandu!

Quote:
Satyam's success was directly proportional to his contribution.
He hasn't adopted himself to change and competetion when changed times demanded and paid the price


You are right! Probably lack of discipline would have been the reason not to adopt himself to change and competetion Sad But that will not take away any credit from the wonderful songs he had given for about 15 years..
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Tunes that are similar and adopted Reply with quote

Srini Garu

Those who have passed away and whose soul resting in heaven should not be criticized.

Had any one pointed out his carried away nature from originality and
monotony it would have helped Satyam and audience in acquiring
more worthy credits and numbers.

I am responding to your query about his compositions and similarities in tunes

rAma chilaka peLLi kODukevarE
mAmayya vastADanTa
evarEmannanu tODu rAkunna
snEhamErA jeevatam
pAlu pongE vayasE needi
navvavE nA cheli
manchini samAdhi chEstAra?
eduritaku antam leda


Above songs are not his compositions


similar tune same note word in song

ankitam neekE ankitam.. nurella
Hyderabad bulbul.. nuvvadindi
Anandam abbAyidaitE.. edabatu
sannajajiki gunnamaviki.. ahahaha
E rAgamO.. idi E tALamO.. mana

E divilO virisina pArijAtamO 1 to 1
nee kougililo taladaachi 1 to 1
O.. bangaru rangula chilakA 1 to 2
sirimalle sogasu jabilli velugu 1 to 2
toli valapE teeyanidi1 to 2
palikinadi pilichinadi1 to 2


manasE jatagaa pADindilE 1to 1
navvavE nA cheli 1to1




tolisanje vELalO.. (female)
abhinava sasi rekhavo
another song from Raj sekhar film

raag Bhupalam above three tunes are similar

Method of providing tunes first and asking lyricist to follow suit
might be one reason for monotony of yester years

Now that we have hardware and software which can create
compositions based on lyrics,
all MD's should try to check any existence of similar number from
database before releasing it.
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